Based on the shit going on with JK Rowling, I checked out Nina Paley's twitter.

She's quoting the above, and selling a transphobic t-shirt.

I feel so ashamed of having worked with her.

I had no idea, and I genuinely think something in her switched to become this hateful self.


@emacsen It reminds me also of Richard Dawkins, who was once beloved by quite a few. One day, something in him flipped, and started saying some nasty stuff that went completely against many of his earlier works prior that made him popular in the first place.

I myself am starting to think that maybe people really do change, often for the worst, very rapidly. Not sure what causes this kind of change though.

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@Lofenyy @emacsen I've seen people in my life change in similar ways, and in every case it seems to be associated with algorithmically-driven, engagement based social media. Yes, people have always changed over time but until the rise of Facebook and Google-owned YouTube I'd never seen people change so abruptly. The message amplification effect of The Algorithms seems tailor made for "recruitment" for any movement, good or evil, and unfortunately evil gets "higher engagement".

I know people who work in education and healthcare who've gone full anti-vax, professional truck drivers and tradespeople who were totally pro-union, NDP (left wing) voters fall deep into the Freedom Convoy hole and go Full Trump. It's quite unreal!

Nina Paley seems to have fallen into that trap as well. Just as people are pulled into the alt-right by moderate-sounding "alt-lite" personalities and gradually pushed to extremes, Paley looks to have been pulled in gradually from "questioning" into hateful TERF.


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@msh @Lofenyy

There's also an element of the pressures of both acceptance and rejection.

I know I wasn't the only person who stopped working with Nina after this stuff happened and I am guessing it radicalized her, just as the attention it garnered online probably gave her a new support network.

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@emacsen one thing I saw again and again is that groups who were moderately strange were suddenly pushed out of society by being put on a level with a small problematic minority in their group. And that made it impossible for them to talk online about their hobbies without being attacked. Result: Some of them actually joined that problematic minority, because those still seemed to accept them.

That’s what the right-wing do: Ignore you as long as you obey. @msh @Lofenyy

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@emacsen To leave the abstract: first all preppers were called nazis, because there are preppers who are nazis. Then esoterics were called nazis, because there are nazis who are esoterics. Then folks from alternative medicine. You’ll notice that the group pushed out of the public space got biggerat every step.

And what was lost in-between: that the problem with nazis is not what they do as hobby. The problem with nazis is that they follow nazi ideology. @msh @Lofenyy

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@ArneBab @msh @Lofenyy

I agree with you, but keep in mind, the left does the exact same thing.

The difference in the Western Left is they are less likely to become explicitly violent.

But this same stuff happens on the left.

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@emacsen At least in Germany the groups on the left usually attack each other long before they get in power (so they never get there). The groups on the right start fighting *after* they get power. @msh @Lofenyy

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@ArneBab @msh @Lofenyy

The thing that scares me on the left is less violent uprisings and more stuff like where, like in many universities in the US/Canada/UK, Jews are openly discriminated against in a display of "social justice", and I have dozens of examples of such.

While we see antisemitism on the right, this kind of antisemitism is less prevalent in my personal day to day life than that on the left, and I therefore have greater concern over it.

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