Some . To get into Canada, ether as a tourist or as someone living here, you have to use this app called ArriveCan, which they said was part of the pandemic prevention measures.

Now the government is saying the app is here to stay permanently.

This app is glitchy, has privacy concerns, is not in many languages, and most importantly *requires the use of proprietary software*.

It's a huge mess, and you have to use it for every crossing, even if you have Nexus!

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The Conservatives have made ArriveCan a sort of political punching bag, but in many ways, for all the wrong reasons. They focus on how glitchy it is, or how it's missing features, but they aren't focused on how dystopian it is to need to do this at all.

The Liberal government claims this will replace kiosks at the airport. I genuinely don't feel good about this.

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@emacsen I just flew through on my way back to the US and had to fill it out. It really is annoying how normalized this behavior has become of requiring all your information to do anything.

I wonder about anybody who wants to travel that doesn’t have access to technology, are they just hosed? Seems like doing anything without tech is becoming prohibitive at best and impossible at worst

@milofultz

The website says that you should basically use someone else's computer, and if you have problems with that due to accessibility, use the website, and if you can't use the website, email them well in advance and they *might* make an exception for you.

@emacsen “if this system isn’t accessible to you, just have someone else do it for you” is the saddest and funniest attempt at making something accessible for people.

@milofultz

There's also a difference in my mind between extraordinary circumstances and everyday.

COVID passports were a thing around the world, and maybe we'll need them again in the future, but most of the world has dropped them now. Except Canada.

And yes it's certainly been a factor in us traveling. Not the only factor, not the main factor, but a factor.

When I used it last (in March) it still didn't have temporary resident as an option!

@emacsen the ArriveCan process must be completed 72hours prior to arrival and is annoyingly specific. I have no idea, for example, what happens if you propose to arrive at crossing X and arrive at crossing Y instead. It is indeed dystopian. 💔

Recently I crossed with our daughter into Canada at a less trafficked stop near Montreal. And the border official was friendly and kind. We joked a little.

@emacsen I am certain that all ArriveCan does is create more "bureaucratic surface area" for border agents having a bad day and/or venting their prejudices to harass people. 💔

@wait_sasha

To be fair, I've found Canadian border folks more reasonable than American or British. I did have one very bad encounter with CBP where they held me and my wife, but a vast majority of my travel across the Canadian border has been nothing short of genuinely pleasant.

@emacsen ug. I'm so sorry to hear you were held at the border. Hopefully it was fairly brief. 💔

Basically, I agree ArriveCan began as a reasonable precaution against people avoiding vaccines due to misinformation. And it's metastasized into something dystopian.

I wonder if simply testing people for COVID at entry is more dystopian or less? And is it better for public health? Worse? Also dystopian?

@wait_sasha

They held us and interrogated us, accusing me of overstaying my visa, which I had not done.

They "left me with a verbal warning not to 'try anything again'" but I was informed from an attorney that meant they marked my record. It doesn't matter now, I have a work permit and a PR in process, but it was scary.

@emacsen Awful! I'm so sorry that happened to you. 💔

Even if Canada is "better than most" that really doesn't change how awful border check-points really are.

@wait_sasha

As for COVID testing- I think it's actually fine, but Canada's underfunded systems are generally starting to show- airports, immigration, health care. it's all showing that Canada is underfunding itself.

@emacsen So the Conservatives are complaining that it's not dystopian enough?

@clacke

No. It's important to draw a distinction between American and Canadian conservatism.

Canadian conservatism is largely (though not entirely) grounded in business.

They see ArriveCan as a barrier to travel to Canada, which is bad for business, thus they dislike it.

They see any bugs in the software as an opportunity to highlight the mistakes of a Liberal government.

But that seems to be it.

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