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antisemitism, europe 

One common thing I hear from Europeans is how antisemitism isn't really a problem, it's fringe, etc.

This analysis of attacks is Europe shows that the countries where antisemitism is more accepted (Poland, Hungary, etc.) have fewer attacks on Jews, but countries where it's less accepted (eg Germany) have more attacks, even when you adjust for the number of Jews in the countries.

Not sure what to make of it yet but it's an interesting data point.

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re: antisemitism, europe 

@emacsen Possible explanations: people in countries with violent antisemitism are more likely to empathize with Jews "Why would anyone hurt another person over this? I don't want to be like this."; countries with violent antisemitism encourage violent antisemitism by punishing non-violent antisemitism "You're firing me because of what I *said*? Now I'm actually angry."

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@petit

Lots of possible explanations for sure. I even think the survey itself isn't amazing.

I am just in shock of how much more antisemitism I see today than I did five years ago.

When I was a kid, I honestly thought society was "over it", but clearly not...

re: antisemitism, europe 

@emacsen Over the long run, antisemitism has taken a nose dive. (Israel's Forever War isn't helping.) I can still pretend I'm Jewish to evade potential Saturday commitments. "I have Temple." No bricks in my house yet, but I have my whole weekend free.

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@petit

> Over the long run, antisemitism has taken a nose dive.

They say that every 50-100 years, then they try to kill us all.

Just not always in the same place.

re: antisemitism, europe 

@emacsen @petit There isn't any inevitable future other than the one we create. If we are not vigilant against it then horrors from the past will return.

A lot of the situation we have now is because the material conditions became similar to a century ago, and also there has been a failure to transfer knowledge down the generations. Just having Wikipedia or certain specialized museums is not enough. A lot of the ways in which past struggles were maintained in the popular psyche through working class organizations are now gone.

antisemitism, europe 

@emacsen I thought that it was generally agreed that much violent antisemitism in Europe is committed by recent immigrants from Muslim countries? Poland and Hungary are not especially welcoming to Muslim immigrants.

antisemitism, europe 

@mpjgregoire

While there are certainly some attacks by Muslims on Jews in Europe, I don't think this is the majority.

It also gets complex about what is an assault, for example in Berlin when the soccer fans yelled out "Dirty Jews" and threw things at the Israeli fans, was that considered assault (I think it should be).

cbsnews.com/news/jewish-fans-a

antisemitism, europe 

@emacsen When I drafted up my message, I originally wrote "most" and then I took a step back. Was I sure that was the explanation for the majority of anti-semitic violence? No, not really, so I wrote "much".

I listened to a podcast about Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book claiming that Europe has become more violent for women over the last decade, driven by recent immigration from Muslim countries. There's a lot of reluctance to discuss the phenomenon, for obvious reasons.

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