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This article lays out the ways that voter suppression happens in the US:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/t

It doesn't even bother to mention gerrmandering, or the electorial college, both which have a *huge* impact on voters.

These specific rules have a huge impact on minorities and poor people, and are meant to keep them from voting, especially poor people in urban areas, who predominantly vote for Democrats.

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@emacsen
Compared to flat popular vote, electorial college provides check against 150mn Dem votes coming from California, or 200mn GOP votes coming from Texas, or both.

But no reason why states couldn't be given a proportion of single-transferrable-vote, then let counties to decide how the state's proportion is divided, and so on down to people.

This type of thing seems obvious but doesn't give either Dems or GOP a clear advantage, which is why I think it's not talked about.

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@cjd

You're talking about replacing one form of the electorial college with another form of the same structure, one that's shown to be extremely biased.

We don't have a representative democracy like most Western nations, and if we're all voting in an election then each person's vote should count equally.

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@emacsen
I guess if one state has 99% voter participation and another has 1%, even with the STV model they'll be weighted equally by census data, so yes, I agree then, the whole thing incentivizes states to discourage voting.

I suppose my concern could be checked by discarding results from any state which counts more votes than - say - income tax filers (?)

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@cjd

Yup! The way to address low voter turnout isn't to go after symptoms but the cause by lowering the barriers to voting, or make voting mandatory.

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@emacsen The EU also kinda has an electoral council. Voters in small states have a larger weight in the EU parliament & EU Council.

This has a certain logic. Representatives of certain countries are quite likely to vote together, rather than on ideological lines. If given equal weight, it is not attractive for a small country to join a union. Even with current rules there was a period in which the votes of Luxembourg could not have changed a decision.

No longer valid for US.

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@VictorVenema

There are so many differences between the US and the EU.

There is no "President of the EU" due to the difference in structure. The US president even holds more power than most prime ministers, and US citizens vote for that office directly ever since 1824.

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